r/WhitePeopleTwitter 1d ago Silver 10 Helpful 9 Wholesome 9 All-Seeing Upvote 1

Officer, I have a murder to report

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u/Chipperchoi 1d ago edited 1d ago

I seriously do not understand the hate for Solar power. Even if you are a global warming denier, how can you not appreciate it?

Edit: holy moly donut shop. Didn't think my passing comment would get this much response.

Thanks for bringing to my attention that solar power isn't perfect. Some of you make very valid points.

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u/Swissgeese 1d ago

He said environmentalists are whackos…The people who care enough to try and save our home planet, the only place we can survive, are not the problem sir.

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u/Manflayer69 1d ago

Breathable air is for queers

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u/Dithquarius 1d ago

Finally just something for us

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u/ermine1470 1d ago

I know right! For too long the straights had claim to the air. BUT NO MORE!

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u/Saaaaaaaaab 1d ago

Obviously wanting a clean planet makes you a god damn commie

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u/Bluefortress 1d ago

home planet

We have more?

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u/Deraj2004 1d ago

I big part is because of coal lobbyists, they see solar energy as a threat to coal powerplants..which they are. Boils down to coal companies and investors not wanting competition, honestly wouldn't doubt they attack wind, hydro and nuclear the same way.

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u/yukeynuh 1d ago edited 1d ago

but i thought conservatives love competition? that’s what makes the free market great after all!

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u/TallOutlandishness24 1d ago

You think conservatives actually believe the mumbo jumbo about free markets.. youuurrrrrrr funnnnnnnny. Monopolies are king as long as the millionaire/billionaire donates republican and socialism is cool as long as its to farmers who vote republican

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u/deowolf 1d ago

Because you can’t charge anyone for it!

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u/Runfasterbitch 1d ago

Of course you can. A part of my electric bill is going to an energy company with massive solar farms.

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u/Bodkin-Van-Horn 1d ago Helpful

"I don't know the answer to a question an 8 year old asked, so therefore nobody does"

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u/_Kay_Tee_ 1d ago

The GOP is officially as smart as a third grader.

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u/BlackLincoln 1d ago

Err.. I think I'd take the third grader on this.

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u/PintsizeBro 1d ago

Yeah, when third graders ask questions it's because they want to know the answer.

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u/superfucky 1d ago Silver

you know what i do when my 3rd grader asks questions i don't know the answer to?

i pick up my phone and instead of self-righteously tweeting about how i'm the smartest person ever, i say "ok google, how do solar panels work?" and both of us learn something.

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u/Bodkin-Van-Horn 1d ago

My son is in 8th grade and I love looking up stuff with him.

"I don't know. Let's find out" is one of the smartest things you can say to a child.

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u/TheNewYellowZealot 1d ago

Photons knock protons through an electron charged substrate generating a charge differential. That’s my understanding of it.

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u/hodor_seuss_geisel 1d ago

Is that a reference to something? ...because you've got your protons and electrons reversed. Your photons are cool though.

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u/Wyvern39 1d ago

Is it similar to the process of photosynthesis?

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u/joshualuigi220 1d ago

No. Photosynthesis is a chemical reaction. Solar panels use an electric process.

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u/radicalelation 1d ago

Some prominent members of the GOP would take a third grader too.

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u/1Eternallylost 1d ago

Many did. There used to be a whole web site listing them all. Then the GOP bought it up and shut it down.

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u/Calber4 1d ago

At least the third grader asks questions when they don't know something.

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u/EdithDich 1d ago

There' a reason journalists are told to write at a fifth grade level. It's because that's the average readers intelligence and reading comprehension level.

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u/sincethenes 1d ago

A few of my friends wrote for the local paper and they all told me the same thing … Our local paper is written to a third grade level.

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u/ricky_bobby86 1d ago

In nursing school we are taught to educate patients on their health at a fifth grade level as well, because like you said that is the average intelligence and comprehension level in America.

We are so fucked!!

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u/JejuneBourgeois 1d ago

Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that!

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u/NanoRaptoro 1d ago

You can't explain that!

That one bothers me so much. For example, the people who are like, "I won't take vaccines because no one knows what ingredients are in them!" No, you don't know what's in them. Lots of people know the ingredients. You could ask your doctor or a pharmacist or Google it. There's no secrecy, you just didn't bother to check.

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u/NAG3LT 1d ago

Some if them google it, then see some very long organic chemical names, find part of it that sounds dangerous and scream that there’s poison in vaccines.

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u/revyr 1d ago

We shall come to know the true fear that is Dihydrogen Monoxide. Most people who come into contact with it are already dead, and the others will follow soon enough.

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u/Hey_Bim 1d ago

It's a colorless, odorless liquid that can kill you. Why isn't this more talked about?!!?

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u/Ex_Why_ 1d ago

Hey, we didn't learn about tides' relationship to the moon until we were 11!

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u/Bezere 1d ago Wholesome

I work in the solar industry and as it turns out snow also doesn't double as blackout curtains!! The sun will still go through! Similar to how clouds won't prevent production!

Yes you will see less production, but they still produce! The solar cells will eventually heat up faster than the rest of the roof! Melting the snow on the panels. The sun can then reflect off the snow on the ground for additional production!

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u/superfucky 1d ago

shit, it was a good 5-6 years ago that the government was literally offering people money to install solar panels and the electric companies were like "if you do it, we will actually buy the excess energy you generate FROM you because solar panels produce more energy than most households can even use." where was this guy during all that, living in an igloo?

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u/phpdevster 1d ago

No, probably living in a coal mine.

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u/__calebcrawdad__ 1d ago

They're still doing that. The fed government will give you a 25% tax credit for any solar arrays

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u/erynberry 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yep, the investment tax credit still exists and so does net metering and renewable energy certificates in a lot of places.

I would just recommend everyone read the contract carefully with any solar company. IIRC some family members almost signed with a company that wanted them to use the tax credit to pay off that percentage of the loan within a year or get hit with a higher interest rate. You also want to be sure you own the panels vs renting, and you wanna be with a utility company that offers incentives like net metering.

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u/AmbulanceChaser12 1d ago

Wait, are you saying that if a thing doesn’t work 100% perfectly, we should still not simply abandon it?

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u/fpoiuyt 1d ago

Masks, vaccines, condoms, etc. Standard right-wing mindset.

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u/carnsolus 1d ago

it would be neat to see them completely abandon armour in the middle ages because 'you can still get hit!'

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u/quincy103 1d ago

Maybe he can answer how humanity is going to work under the ice when we trigger a friggin ice age.

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u/DustyZafu 1d ago

I would say most of them have a serious problem with thinking they have done a sufficient amount of critical thinking.

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u/tootie 1d ago

This is the thing that gets me. Of course most people don't know exactly how solar panels work. There's actually a few different ways they might work. It's not simple so it's not going to be obvious. The fact that observers who don't get it are confused is fine. It's when they think that generations of scientists and engineers spent decades on this technology and not one of them thought about what happens when it's cloudy (or you know night time) isn't just stupid, it shows a complete disdain and disregard for the inner lived of other humans.

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u/over100 1d ago

the best part is how he categorizes solar panels with environmental whackos. How pathetically stupid do you have to be to not understand how amazing solar panel technology is, completely independent of their environmental value.

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u/Bodkin-Van-Horn 1d ago

And apparently his argument is that if they don't work some of the time then they are useless and everyone who likes them is stupid.

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u/Oubliette_occupant 1d ago

Same “all or nothing” thinking like they use for masks and vaccines.

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u/ManicPixieOldMaid 1d ago edited 1d ago Silver Helpful Wholesome Keep Calm Heartwarming

They could add heaters to the solar panels but then they'd be constantly covered in cats.

I have to edit this post to say the perfect balance between lol cats responses and an in depth discussion of the mechanical engineering underlying solar panel technology is just chef's kiss. You rule, reddit.

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u/bluemew1234 1d ago Wholesome

We could tie a dog to every single solar panel and place a calendar nearby that is eternally showing Monday!

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u/joawmeens 1d ago

But them you'd need something to fight the dogs.

Not because the dogs are doing anything wrong.... we've just committed to this bit now, gotta see it thru

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u/bluemew1234 1d ago

The internet says squirrels can sometimes attack dogs, so we release a wave of squirrels every once in a while to keep the dogs on edge and in check.

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u/joawmeens 1d ago

And then to control the squirrel population, we need to introduce cats....

SHIT

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u/T-Sonus 1d ago

No problem! Instead of cats we'll add Mongooses!!!

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u/WanselChristopher 1d ago

…I say it time and again, that two angry mongooses fighting for respectability was the worst (and best) when it comes to being the best (and worst)

Just like in that lady’s jeans at Walmart with the wig snatched off…

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u/DisembodiedMustache 1d ago

Mongeese*

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u/GiGaBYTEme90 1d ago

Mongeeses

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u/T-Sonus 1d ago

Well, I guess if it's good for the Mongoose it's good for Mongander

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u/jeffersonjeffship 1d ago

I hate those mongeeses to pieces.

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u/Bookislovakia 1d ago

If you've got a problem with Canada gooses then you have a problem with me and I suggest you let that one marinate.

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u/taintsrowthe3rd 1d ago

FUCKIN' EMBARRASSING

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u/Gateway2Heaven7 1d ago

Mongoosen

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u/bluemew1234 1d ago

It's the ciiiiiiircle of liiiiiife!

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u/bowling4burgers 1d ago Vibing

WRONG! If I've learned anything in life, Loony Toons logic is cat >> dog >> lion >> elephant >> mouse >> cat >> dog... well you get the idea

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u/user13958 1d ago

I think geese would definitely start a fight too

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u/mmaxey14 1d ago edited 1d ago

There are services for solar panels in the desert that clean them automatically. They look like Roombas driving up and down the panel. They would be just as effective for snow I assume.

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u/davidsandbrand 1d ago

Being covered in snow reduces the output of solar panels by under 5%.

It’s really no big deal, in the grand scheme of things.

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u/Instoker 1d ago edited 1d ago Silver Helpful Sidevote

It's dependent on the amount of snow. For light snow like in the picture, it snow big deal because the panels are getting enough light to eventually melt off the snow, and still produce some energy.

With heavier snow, it can reduce the output by 95% as shown in the video on this website.

Edit: For a bit more info, you can check the frequency response graphs of both snow's light blocking ability and of the energy production of solar panels. I've show these graphs here. Keep in mind that silicon solar panels are already pretty inefficient, converting about 20% of incident light into energy without any obstructions.

One other thing that is important to know about solar panels is their model schematic. Typically, Rs is on the order of 1 ohm and Rp is on the order of 1 kilo-ohm. A typical panel will have 36/48/72 cells in series, meaning it's total resistance when fully insolated is 36 ohms for a 36 cell panel. When you shade a single cell, you remove the current source and now the Rp is in series with Rs. That adds that resistance to the total resistance, going from 36 ohms to 1036 approximately. What does this do? It sucks away energy as heat dissipated in the silicon, and can lower your power output by 33% for a single cell being covered. If you cover 2 cells, you can lower your power by 50% on a 36 cell panel. So if your panel is covered in snow, you will be missing out on energy.

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u/Angry_Submariner 1d ago
 “It’s snow big deal…”

I like what you did there.

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u/xinfinitimortum 1d ago

Something that bugs me too is that like, whoever owns these panels, do you not think they will go out and brush the snow off the panels and stuff? Shit I had to shovel snow WHILE IT WAS SNOWING while I was in the army for sidewalks and basketball courts for literally no reason.

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u/germanmojo 1d ago

PRIVATE! Go flip the rocks, we don't want them to get an uneven tan!

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u/xinfinitimortum 1d ago

Cant. Busy.

leaves for dental appointment

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u/Andre4kthegreengiant 1d ago

Did you just spit on my deck? Pick it up & put it in your pocket.

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u/bitwiseshiftleft 1d ago

The panels typically warm up and melt/shed the snow throughout the day.

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u/SparksThirteenFour 1d ago

I worked on a solar installation this past fall...the panels we installed work from both the sun facing side and the roof side, so even when covered with snow, they still would generate current. Maybe Mr. Dipshit right wing denier should ask someone with more knowledge than a third grader before he makes his final conclusion on technology.

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u/KrAbFuT 1d ago

Right! Like when grass doesn’t die while covered in snow. Dig up some of the snow in your yard and the grass is healthy and very green. So clearly there’s photosynthesis happening. Snow is translucent.

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u/wendigo303 1d ago

Not sure if I'm missing a /s or not here but my grass brown as shit in the spring when the snow melts. It doesn't take long to turn green again but there is a delay.

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u/Neon_Camouflage 1d ago

Depends how long you have snow. I lived in ND where after the first snowfall it didn't melt for 6 months. We always had dead grass there too.

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u/HedgehogOptimal1784 1d ago

Also thanks to climate change we get a lot less snow, if the panels are covered for a few days it's still lots of clean energy.

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u/davidsandbrand 1d ago

I think the 95% efficiency covered in snow is a lot better than the billions of dollars of damage happening each year from climate change, despite your whole “thanks to climate change we get a lot less snow”, but that’s just me.

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u/Divacai 1d ago

OMG this reminded me about the run around argument I had with my dad on this topic.. So my point was yours, put low wattage heaters on the panels that melt the snow in the winter. My father then said "Well duh how are the heaters going to work, the panels are covered in snow". This went round a couple times until I stopped it and told him to stop being an obtuse asshole, it's unbecoming because even if my logic isn't completely sound, as in I'm sure there's a real reason why they don't use heaters but his wasn't a real reason, he was just being a dick to be a dick.

So if anyone knows the actual answer to this, I'm really curious.

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u/NotBearhound 1d ago

It's because solar panels still work while covered in snow, just not as well.

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u/hobbitlover 1d ago

Most solar farms also have somebody who will brush off the panels - not just snow but pollen, dust, etc. Snow is a minor inconvenience and a job is created.

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u/lewbassoon 1d ago

As someone pointed out earlier, they still work if covered partially. When working, they heat up due to current flow, and Infra red radiation they haven't converted.

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u/Clemtiger13 1d ago

Feel like alot of them have batteries that are charged by the solor panel. However, Google has also informed me that the panels have cells which absorb any amount of heat from the sun, and just a little bit of the panel needs to be exposed to absorb the heat and the cell spreads it through the whole panel. Also they are sloped and not ideal for snow to stick since they are kinda warm already.

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u/raistlin65 1d ago

Climate change deniers depending on 8-year-olds for their poor arguments against alternative energy?

No surprise!

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u/indifferentcrayon 1d ago

I find it wild that some people get so angry at alternative energy, you’d think it’d have an ethnicity.

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u/Hamburderler 1d ago

Every panel I've seen is dark, so that must explain it.

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u/sm12511 1d ago

Well now they're all white, so I can't understand ol' Josh's line of thinking

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u/No_Ranger_3896 1d ago

Why would they be pro pollution? It doesn't make sense.

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u/indifferentcrayon 1d ago edited 1d ago

He’s our hero! Bringing some of that green environmentally-conscious violence.

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u/richter1977 1d ago

"The power is YOURS!" Clearly advocating widespread environmental vigilantism.

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u/SHEZthedestroyer 1d ago

I’m not sure but I think a lot of politicians have ties with/get lobbied by oil and gas companies

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u/YandereObama 1d ago

Because progressives are anti pollution

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u/Gangsir 1d ago

A mixture of:

  • Fear of change and the death of careers (in oil and similar). This especially applies to a certain age group who grew up in these careers, they fear being rendered no better than the average high school dropout because their lifelong career was rendered irrelevant
  • Propaganda by companies that profit from pollution
  • Wanting to be difficult and oppose things just for the sake of opposing, as everyone agreeing to something (because it's good!) makes them uncomfortable for some reason, there must be someone who stands apart no matter how obviously good the thing is
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u/Due_Platypus_3913 1d ago

Lifetime of oil/car company propaganda!

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u/Btothek84 1d ago

I wonder if they could just, I donno, like wipe off the snow? I donno I’m just spit ballin here and obviously not as smart as a 8 year old.

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u/halcyonick 1d ago edited 1d ago

For most solar panels, because of the slick glass + the angle of the panels + solar panel warmth, I think the snow doesn't actually stick too well as long as you give it some time.

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u/TheObstruction 1d ago

You don't even need to, they're placed for maximum exposure to the sun, and they melt pretty quickly.

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u/Btothek84 1d ago

No I know all that, I’m just saying that this guy isn’t even smart enough to think of just wiping them off

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u/boil_water 1d ago

More realistically, the panels lose like 8% of potential energy due to weather if you just let them sit there. Oh no.

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u/Pa2phx 1d ago

To be fair 8 yr olds are smarter than most people on Facebook.

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u/ran-Us 1d ago Silver hehehehe

Instead of using it as an opportunity to learn something with his son he uses it as a post to attack politicians. What a fucking simpleton.

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u/PunchMeat 1d ago Silver

"I'm only asking questions!"

"Okay, well here is the answer."

"No no, you misunderstood. I'm not interested in any answers, I'm only asking questions."

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u/ran-Us 1d ago

That seems to be their m.o.

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u/ConspicuousUsername 1d ago

JAQing off.

Just Asking (leading) Questions with no actual interest in the question being answered or interest in learning.

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u/DRUNK_CYCLIST 1d ago

Same mindset of a dog. No take. Only throw. Ball is life.

But who's THROWING the ball??

No take. Only throw.

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u/SquidwardsKeef 1d ago

I've also heard this being called sealioning. A form of trolling by asking questions in bad faith

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u/WWJLPD 1d ago

Is there a name for this, like as a type of fallacy or something? Ask a question which is really just a statement in disguise, then lash out at anyone who disagrees by accusing them of being the thought police and stifling their question-asking. Seems kind of like a straw man thing, but also pretty specific in format and, anecdotally, strongly correlated with conspiracy theories and beliefs.

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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver 1d ago

JAQing off or Sealioning.

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u/Val_Hallen 1d ago I'll Drink to That

JAQing off.

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u/robb1519 1d ago

He hears a question like that from a child, his child, and assumes he's asking it in the same self-indulgent self-serving manner as a Tucker Carlson or Bill O'Reilly and instead of even taking a moment to consider the question he probably high fives his confused kid, rants about liberals for 5 minutes and dies in 3 months while lighting a propane tank on fire to kill a squirrel.

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u/ran-Us 1d ago

Or covid

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u/FreakWith17PlansADay 1d ago

he uses it as a post to attack politicians

And notably, women politicians. There are a lot of people in congress who advocate for green energy. Looks like Senator Warren and Rep. Ocasio-Cortez are the ones chosen by the Right wing media to blame for everything their audience disagrees with. Guess maybe it’s a good thing they’ve finally moved past Hillary Clinton as their Evil Scary Woman.

Interesting that it’s Warren and AOC who recently advocated for prohibiting stock trading by members of Congress. Makes you wonder if that’s why the Right wants to smear these women in particular. They can’t have people agreeing with Democrats.

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u/Grey_Bear_40 1d ago

The best part comes when you realize his son never said that and he's just making shit up to get internet points.

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u/AcidCatfish___ 1d ago

He turned what could have been a wholesome family moment into a disgusting political talking point.

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u/ran-Us 1d ago

Absolutely. Solar power is a really interesting technology. Why not learn about it instead of blasting AOC for absolutely no reason.

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u/Mobile-Importance-74 1d ago Giggle

Maybe they are polar panels. Checkmate fake 8 year old

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u/fowlraul 1d ago

Polar panels is hard to say…it keeps coming out “bear.”

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u/Plus-Nothing-4069 1d ago

Bear panels?

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u/Baxku 1d ago

Solar bears.

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u/keithj0nes 1d ago

This is actually the name of a hockey team in Orlando, Florida. Their logo is of a polar bear with sunglasses.

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u/bluemew1234 1d ago

He ripped the battery out of his phone and only uses it when a wall outlet is available like a real American!

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u/RaffiaWorkBase 1d ago

He tows a diesel generator around to provide charge for his mobile devices.

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u/bluemew1234 1d ago

"I built this myself! I just toss some coal inside and boom! I can use my phone for 6 minutes!"

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u/bm_69 1d ago

I don't know where you guys get your solar panels but the ones up here work on light, not direct sunlight so even 5 or 6 inches of snow does not stop it. Reduces efficiency for sure, but still generates power.

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u/mmaxey14 1d ago

But that doesn't trigger the libs.

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u/echocall2 1d ago

Snow actually does trigger me, I don't like the cold.

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u/SpooderKrab1788 1d ago

me (a conservative) driving to your house with a wood chipper and several large blocks of ice (I am going to aim it at your door to trigger you) /j

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u/ButtersTG 1d ago

Scoops up a cup of shaved ice and pours some syrup on it then closes the door again

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u/thumbtaxx 1d ago

Using logic against feelings, silly human..

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u/SleepWouldBeNice 1d ago

A guy I went to university with was part of a study that was looking into solar panel angle in the winter. A higher angle is less efficient, but the snow will slide off sooner when it starts to melt, which will allow more light in once it does, so does the higher angle make it overall more efficient or less efficient?

Wish I heard what the results of the studies were.

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u/sir_sri 1d ago

The answer is probably adjustable tilt.

There are a bunch of complicated geometries and sun following logic for solar arrays that depend on latitude, altitude, weather etc. Because the earth is on a tilt, the position of the sun relative to a solar array changes throughout the year, so there's two angles of optimal incidence basically, so ideally you can follow those, but that also depends on where the panel is relatively to the horizon.

The M arrangement is quite popular for static arrays (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/10/2/537/htm) but there are also complex circular arrays which concentrate power onto a central tower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power), there's also some benefit to fractal patterns (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7064250/).

There are also things you can do like add what are basically lenses (or at least a material on top of the panel) which expands the 'optical range' of a panel (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7250910/).

Residential solar and commercial industrial solar don't really line up here, the complexities of adding motors to the home panels is just a point of failure that's probably not worth the headache right now (it's just one more thing to break). Home users are usually better with just more panels than tilting panels. Commercial installations and you have designated maintenance staff and resources, where solar tilting is at least a thing that can be considered. Depends on how constrained by space and panel availability you are.

In terms of only considering snow on fixed panel: you're almost always going to be better with the optimal arrangement for the sun for a year, rather than worrying about snow. Toronto gets about 11 days of snow a year (https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Canada/Ontario/Places/toronto-snowfall-totals-snow-accumulation-averages.php) Moscow is about the same. Snow might stick around 100 or 120 days a year, but it only falls a fraction of that time, so once the panel is cleaned say the day of, or day after a snowfall, you'd get many days at the higher efficiency value before it get's covered again (on average).

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u/gottaburnemall7 1d ago

Yea we have some on our house and garage and we get some power even covered in snow (north of Buffalo)

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u/Far_Possible1666 1d ago

You should've seen the comments over at r/murderedbywords. All anti clean energy who swear that solar panels are useless and that they've "owned the libs".

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u/borismuller 1d ago

destroying the planet to own the libs

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u/CreditBuilding205 1d ago

Personally I hate it when snow falls on my car windshield. I can’t see through it then I can’t drive anywhere until it all melts :(

I wish these solar geniuses would invent something for a simple man like me.

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u/RusticTroglodyte 1d ago

How the fuck can you be a grown ass adult and think that when it's cloudy, the fucking sun isn't out LMAO

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u/StopDehumanizing 1d ago

He brings a flashlight in case it rains.

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u/plynthy 1d ago edited 1d ago

fucking lol

it would be stupid to design solar panels that only collect light visible to humans, good thing the scientists and engineers who made them aren't fucking morons.

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u/DamienJaxx 1d ago

Josh Mandel is a carpet bagging piece of shit that no one should ever take seriously. He married into money and was kicked out cause of how ridiculous he is. He's a fucking shit stain on this state, and that's saying something.

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u/realisan 1d ago

Well, Josh Mandel is a well-known moron in Ohio and not understanding how the sun works is just another thing he is too stupid to understand.

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u/alexjonestownkoolaid 1d ago

He's not a grown ass man. More of a man-child.

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u/AnalArtiste 1d ago

The craziest part is 1.3k people agreed with this 🥴

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u/Awsom0 1d ago

The craziest part is something like only 10% of people who see something online will actually interact with it. There’s most likely thousands more people who saw this and agrees with it, and just didn’t tap the like button.

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u/thumbtaxx 1d ago

!Rump got legit votes, along with all the lies, but, yeah. 'Murica

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u/yeetflix 1d ago Wholesome

Not gonna lie…i don’t get it

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u/cupofspiders 1d ago

Energy produced by solar panels can be stored, like in a battery. So your power does not actually go out every time it's cloudy or snowy or like... night.

But also, as others have said, the panels likely still work fine with snow on them.

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u/AmazedCoder 1d ago

The OP was saying that the panels don't work. If you're using a battery for power, the panel is not powering your device.

OP is obviously a moron but the response is really not murdering anyone.

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u/thewb005 1d ago

Same here dude. Like I understood Josh was a tard, but didn't understand the phone battery follow-up.

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u/VGSchadenfreude 1d ago

Solar panels work based on light, not heat, for starters.

Specially, they work on specific wavelengths of light that snow and cloud cover do not block, or don’t entirely block.

They work on cloudy days and in snowy weather for the same reasons you can still get sunburn on cloudy days or in snowy weathers

In fact, the snow might even help the solar panels work better, by reflecting more light back at them.

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u/Mobile-Importance-74 1d ago

Stop Stop He’s already dead

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u/IceColdWasabi 1d ago

He's a Republican, and he's not filthy rich and milking the poors for cash; he's never read anything that might prove him wrong, even if he was capable of understanding all the big words in it without an adult to help him.

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u/VGSchadenfreude 1d ago

A little more won’t hurt!

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u/thumbtaxx 1d ago

Put the boots to 'em!

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u/whyTFdidthatmove 1d ago

Yes, but sadly he leaves an eight year old behind, and that kid is going to really have to work to overcome the deficit of being raised by a total moron, for the last eight years. What a cross to bear.

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u/Pegguins 1d ago

Snow most definitely won't improve solar panel efficiency but yeah the idea that all solar radiation vanishes from clouds is bizzare.

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u/DingusTaargus 1d ago

I was under the assumption that he meant snow on the ground that the sunlight may reflect off of. In which case, depending on a few variables, it may.

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u/BradMarchandsNose 1d ago

Also, nobody in their right mind is advocating for us to use ONLY solar panels. There’s tons of renewable energy sources that should all be used together. Sometimes solar panels aren’t going to be as efficient, and that’s ok.

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u/cjc323 1d ago

If the snow is actually on the panels I don't think they work as well. Just like if it's cloudy they work just not as well. I think the kid in this scenario was asking a good question, just all the adults in this scenario are dumbasses.

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u/Born_Ruff 1d ago

The battery comment is a bit off base though. Many people use solar and batteries for smaller scale off grid stuff, but in general batteries are not efficient enough to be practical at scale.

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u/brian111786 1d ago

Fuck my motherfuckin life. That's the asshole from my shitty state. Look, guys, I'm sorry. There's A LOT of idiots here. They're all dying of covid though, so give it time. We may be good by the midterms.

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u/FleetOfTheFeet 1d ago

They’re easy to identify though, just look for the car cruising along at 2 under in the passing lane

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u/KeyanReid 1d ago

Between him and Jim Jordan (not to mention all the crap coming from nearby Kentucky), we may be best off quarantining the whole region indefinitely. Too much toxic shit spewing outta there

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u/MountainSage58 1d ago

It's true it really happened, I was the solar panel

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u/RusticTroglodyte 1d ago

^ they're telling the truth, I was one of the ppl clapping in the audience

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u/sarcasatirony 1d ago

^ I was the traffic, rubbernecking to watch the whole thing go down.

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u/MarquisDeLafayeett 1d ago

That’s not how solar works Josh, you’re just as dumb as your child.

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u/angietoo20 1d ago

Wow that's hilarious. When I was 9 years old I copied the solar panels that my dad was selling to stick on the tops of people's houses and heat their water, and got an A on my science experiment. Couple of two-by-fours, a sheet of aluminum, some clear plastic, black paint and a hose. I raised the temperature of that water by 13 degrees.

And since I live in a place where it snows a lot someone could tell that snot-nosed little dipshit that solar panels don't work without the sun, and that snow melts off of dark surfaces pretty quick, when it does come out.

But then again some of us were much smarter when we were eight and nine years old and some of us were fucking dip shitz.

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u/Voldemort57 1d ago

Solar powered water heaters ftw

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u/cothomasmiller 1d ago

I love how guys like Josh think that because he doesn't understand how a particular concept or machine works. That means no one understands it. or its all lies and conspiracies

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u/thatHecklerOverThere 1d ago

"I could've explained it, but unfortunately I don't like to know things".

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u/reflectorvest 1d ago

My 3rd grade Korean students can explain how solar panels work in English, but this dude can’t comprehend the concept of batteries. I love this planet.

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u/-Ghost-Heart- 1d ago

My favorite game to play is trying to figure out if these people are just stupid or if they're just lying

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Both?

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u/MesWantooth 1d ago

What really sucks about these flippant, ignorant tweets is that in many cases - they know it’s bullshit, but their “base” is the lowest common denominator and if they ain’t going to pander themselves.

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u/dirtin_and_squirtin 1d ago

I still can't believe driver's licenses are so easy to get.

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u/kangarooneroo 1d ago

The worst part about these people is that they genuinly think they're smart. They absolutly refuse to even look anything up because the simple idea that they could be wrong about something is impossible, so there's no need bother checking.

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u/Most-Artichoke5028 1d ago

What a moron.

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u/D3vy82 1d ago

The real answer for the 8 year old. "Yes, their output is lower but they work when there's snow on them" and "can you see things outside? Well the sun is out it's just cloudy"

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u/Aboelter23 1d ago

Not picking any sides here, but conventional electric batteries are not plausible for large scale electricity storage, such as supporting a city. Another method needs to be used/created for storing energy. Right now as far as I know, storing water as potential energy for hydroelectric power is about the best store of energy we have.

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u/Lenspimp2019 1d ago

Proof the right is full of brainless morons

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u/Moose_Human 1d ago

Yup, snow exists and since it would be way too technically challenging to clean the snow off, we should go with an option that is dirtier, is destroying the planet and more expensive.

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u/kessmeister79 1d ago

Even if they didn’t work when covered in snow, that’s a really stupid argument. I’m guessing that place isn’t covered in snow year round….

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u/AcidCatfish___ 1d ago

I don't think AOC and Elizabeth Warren developed solar panels.

Also, how is the kid smarter than them? He asked a question..he didn't answer the question. Not saying that the kid isn't smart...but it surely isn't a gotcha. I'm sure a physicist would be able to answer the kid easily.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, solar panels charge batteries from light (and it usually doesn't have to be direct sunlight, or even white light for that matter). If the panel gets blocked or it's dark out, the battery powers the generators still with the charged cells.

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u/TerribleWord1214 1d ago

CHILD: Daddy, how do the solar panels work if their covered in snow and the suns not out?

FATHER: FUCK JOE BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATS!! FUCK THEM TO HELL!!!

Drives into icy lake.

No one suggested he didn’t answer the question….

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u/einhorn_is_parkey 1d ago

Even if you don’t believe in climate change, why are you against Solar power? It’s literally free electricity. Why do people Stan so hard for oil companies

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u/throwawayacc2105 1d ago

His son should ask how traditional private fossil fuel plants worked when they got hit with a bit of snow. Texas👀

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u/boogs_23 1d ago

Just to play devils advocate for a second. So the comment is stupid, obviously, but the reply about batteries might be as well. If this array is just hooked up to the power grid, then no batteries are involved. Storing power in batteries is inefficient and expensive as hell. When a nuclear plant produces more energy than it needs, it doesn't dump it all into a battery and neither do solar arrays connected to the grid. It's one of the biggest issues in power generation. Trying equally match supply and demand.

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u/Woman-AdltHumnFemale 1d ago

There seems to be a lot of misinformation in this thread about the power grid.

Batteries are not currently cheap enough to run the grid while solar is down.

Usually gas or coal power plants vary their production to make up for variations in the level of power on the grid from renewables.

This is why nuclear should be the focus of green energy policy.

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u/hair_ofthedog 1d ago

Um thank you. Had to scroll pretty far.. that doesn’t mean to screw solar.. but yes the battery issue has been ongoing for a long ass time now and they are just recently making headway. People on the right and left act like it’s one or the other. The answer is just as you said, use solar when available, use other means when necessary. In fact, use all resources as they fit into the puzzle.

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u/Usually_Am 1d ago

Do these people think that a cloudy day would shut down any solar panels or just want to make any argument they can no matter how frivolous?

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u/Double_Distribution8 1d ago

Where's the battery array? They would have to be some pretty big batteries to be useful. Or is this hooked directly into the grid like most commercial or residential solar panels? Storage is a big issue that needs to be solved, it's not solved yet.

I have solar (but no battery storage, and the Tesla wall batteries are super expensive). And it doesnt take much snow to cut way back on the solar input, I thought this would be obvious. But on an overcast day they still work ok. But snow has a big effect.

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